Recorded after FC Tokyo's ACL elimination on Tuesday night, this week's podcast with Cesare Polenghi covers Tokyo's loss and the top four in J1 after Matchday 13, before we move on to a wider discussion on the state of the top flight. Is winning really that important to clubs and their supporters? Why do some clubs continually fail to establish a successful mentality? And what does J-Pop have to do with the J.League? You'll get answers to all these questions and more in our hour-long chat. I finish the episode with the rest of the J1 results, and a check on J2 and J3.